Monday, April 27, 2009

Queens paper vs. illegal immigration

Editorial from the Times Newsweekly:

Certain organizations are big on granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. Churches, seeking to increase their membership, are strong advocates of pardons for breaking the law. As the number of their flocks dwindles, illegal immigrants present a new wave of parishioners.

Democrats seem to favor amnesty since it has been a tradition that newcomers, legal or illegal, become Democrats. By adding millions to their party, the scale of elections will effectively tip in their favor.

Labor groups like the A.F.L.-C.I.O. and the Change to Win federation are banding to endorse the legalization of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. — and why not? Labor unions, always seeking new members, see a workforce of millions adding to the union coffers.

There are legitimate drawbacks to blanket amnesty. Unfortunately, anyone who disagrees with the open border policy risks being labeled a racist, bigot or supremacist.

With an increase of millions more seeking assistance, the schools, hospitals, housing and social services would be in worse shape than they are now.

President Barack Obama is planning to address the country's immigration system this year and is seeking a path for illegal immigrants to become legal.

He knows this to be an emotionally-charged and controversial issue. It is hoped that as this nation's leader, President Obama will show sufficient care and logic to consider the needs of the present citizens first and foremost — and not be swayed by self-serving groups.


Whoa, I don't think Maureen Walthers read the clubhouse memo on this subject... But it's obvious that the NY Times paid attention to it.

72 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think the Dailey News story was likley made up

The Dailey News and now all those Murdoch owned papers (Times Newsweekly) arent fit for Ferret cage lining.
All the editors are handpicked mouthpieces for Bloomberg and Marshall.

Anonymous said...

To the fact-challenged, grammar-challenged, spelling-challenged anon above - was that post tongue-in-cheek, or, vodka-in-cheek?

Queens Crapper said...

Ok there was no Dailey (or Daily) News story linked to this.

The Times Newsweekly/Ridgewood Times was not bought by Rupert Murdoch. That was the Times Ledger/Ridgewood Ledger, which should not be confused with the Queens Ledge, which is owned by a tax cheat.

Anonymous said...

The NYT piece should examine the appalling decline of the immigrant population of Manhattan. Affordable housing for those getting started is an important part of the Manhattan legend and lore.

We know that, as with Landmark Communities, there are plenty of Times readers that exploit immigrants as domestics, employees, and tenants.

The Times is afraid that an illegal immigrant backlash might have finanical and social consequences for its readers.

So we always get profiles of a hard working loving family who is being pulled apart by the efforts of this nation to control its borders.

(yawn)

Anonymous said...

The Times is, as usual, behind the times...a dinosaur among modern media...awaiting its own burial.

Anonymous said...

Swine flu...a small portent of the "benefits" that await us from illegal immigration.

The time has come for responsible immigration reform, particularly with regard to administering medical examinations to new arrivals.

That pandemic specter still dangles over our heads as well as the rest of the world.

Keep on flirting with it and we'll soon be rolling snake eyes!

We're seeing a return to the ills of the early 20th century.

Anonymous said...

Maybe if some of these labor leaders stayed away from the help we would be ok. Carolyn, its not ok to bang the delivery boy !!!

Anonymous said...

To be pro-immigration is to be pro-growth and pro the principles and ideals of this nation.

Anonymous said...

Rarely I see people who really understand the problems of immigration. I was always in favor of getting rid of the illegals until I lived in Arizona and saw with my own eyes that the closed border just doesn't work. No matter how hard you try or how much money you spend its an impossible dream. It would be far better to let these people into America and have a good list of who they are then maintain this system that lets people slip right through the cracks. The immigrants age going to come if you want them too or not, our way makes people walk through the desert like animals and funds human trafficking programs where as most of these people would prefer to just sign in. Then we can use the border patrol to control important things.

Pete Murphy said...

Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life. Immigration, both legal and illegal, are fueling this growth. I'm not talking about environmental degradation or resource depletion. I'm talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty in America.

I should introduce myself. I am the author of a book titled "Five Short Blasts: A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America." To make a long story short, my theory is that, as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space. People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products. This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty.

This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management, especially immigration policy. Our policies of encouraging high rates of immigration are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth. Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth. For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living. This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations. Both were happy.

But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge. It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty. However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases. We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.

The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight third world countries - India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China - as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050. It's absolutely imperative that our population be stabilized, and that's impossible without dramatically reining in immigration, both legal and illegal.

If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit my web site at OpenWindowPublishingCo.com where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like. (It's also available at Amazon.com.)

Please forgive the somewhat spammish nature of the previous paragraph. I just don't know how else to inject this new perspective into the immigration debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.

Pete Murphy
Author, "Five Short Blasts"

Anonymous said...

FACT: Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they tax dollar benefits they use.

FACT: Immigrants are the biggest groups of entrepeneurs in the US

FACT: Many US cities wouldn't have survived if it wasn't for foreign migration

FACT: Many people target only hispanic immigrants and not the white illegal immigrants, such as Canada, Poland, Russia, etc.

Clearly racial.

Anonymous said...

FACT: Illegals are not paying for new schools and hospitals that are necessary because of their presence.

FACT: We are talking about illegals and not legal immigrants

FACT: It doesn't matter what color they are, if they don't have permission, they don't belong here.

FACT: People living here illegally were responsible for 9/11.

Anonymous said...

Illegals have paid more in taxes than the benefits they receive: including education costs for their children

That is a fact anyone can Google

Anonymous said...

What educated person has lost a job to an illegal immigrant???

The higher paying job are going overseas and not to illegals. So if you have a college degree how does illegalimmigration impact you?

Illegal immigrants are moving into Forest Hills Gardens, Bay Terrace, and Little Neck?

Get an education, get a good job, and live in an upper class neighborhood. Stop being silly

Anonymous said...

Since they don't pay property or income taxes, I can't see this being truthful. This is a made up stat by the feel-good crowd.

Anonymous said...

Don't go after the illegals go after the employers. If there was no one to hire them then they won't come.
Would you go to Great Adventure if the rides we not working?

Anonymous said...

"What educated person has lost a job to an illegal immigrant???"

Who said educated people are losing out to illegals? Last I checked, there were a good number of uneducated people living in this country that still need to work to put food on their tables.

More importantly, this is a national security issue.

And yes, illegals are moving into these neighborhoods. They're called domestic workers.

Anonymous said...

It's well known that many illegals pay taxes. It is a pre-requisite necessary to a path to citizenship.

They also use their tax-payer ID's as bogus Social Security #'s.

Anonymous said...

Wow, illegal immigrants are being de-humanized on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Most illegals don't want citizenship. They want to make money to send home and then join their families back there.

Anonymous said...

Gee, would you rather hire an illegal immigrant to put up dry wall at $8 hour or have to hire a Union manadated team of three with each one making $40 hour each?

Queens Crapper said...

"Don't go after the illegals go after the employers."

How about we go after the government for telling both offenders that it's ok?

Anonymous said...

That is a lie. MOST illegals want citizenship, not to send money home.

You give illegals these evil motives.

Like spoiled brats, you were lucky to be born here and don't appreciate they opportunities you were born with while others have to work in shit and get paid less than minimum wage.

Anonymous said...

Good point Queens Crapper.

I support the DREAM ACT that lets illegal kids with no choice who were brough here and have no home to go back to when they are adults.

But the must get educated via college or join the military.

Anonymous said...

Our biggest threat for National Security are not the illegals its the legals with the bad intentions that have rights as citizens.

The sleeper cell in upstate were citizens.

Anonymous said...

Who did they kill?

Anonymous said...

Illegals kill more than 2100 Americans annually. If they weren't in this country in the first place, these people would be alive. Then we have the proud duty of defending them, feeding, clothing and sheltering them on the taxpayer dime until they croak.

Wade Nichols said...

FACT: Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they tax dollar benefits they use.What's your source on this alleged "fact"? Illegal immigrants pay taxes? FICA, Social Security, Federal, State? Enlighten us, please!

FACT: Immigrants are the biggest groups of entrepeneurs in the USYes, those ladies selling tamales on Roosevelt Avenue really enrich our GDP!

FACT: Many US cities wouldn't have survived if it wasn't for foreign migrationYes, Los Angeles is quite a livable city, that's why everyone is moving to Seattle. How's that going for Detroit, Buffalo?

FACT: Many people target only hispanic immigrants and not the white illegal immigrants, such as Canada, Poland, Russia, etc.Complete bullshit! The Brits don't have much love for Polish immigrants in England, and the folks in Iceland don't exactly love the Polish either.

Clearly racial.No, clearly BULL SHIT! Get your head out of your ass, and get your facts straight!

Anonymous said...

"Then we have the proud duty of defending them, feeding, clothing and sheltering them on the taxpayer dime until they croak."

Illegal immigrants can't get welfare. But if you are able bodied and lazy, generational welfare is a lifestyle fit for NYers, Cali, and trailer trash.

Anonymous said...

People are moving from Los Angelos not because of the immigrants but because California is crumbling.

Anonymous said...

But if no one hires them won't that solve the problem?

Anonymous said...

I'm lost. What jobs are illegals taking away?

Is it the dangerous low paying ones that the welfare recipients refuse to do because it is indignant?

Anonymous said...

I am for stricter rules on employers (very severe penalties like jail time) and limiting welfare to six months with very very few exceptions.

Anonymous said...

The local fruit store has had a wanted sign for employees for three months.

But if an illegal takes it then they just took food out of the mouths for they pig on the couch.

Anonymous said...

Yes, busboys, cooks, nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, construction workers.

Dangerous jobs!

Anonymous said...

So we should allow porous borders so Donald Trump can get cheap hedge clipping. Great.

Anonymous said...

Stopping illegal immigration would also curtail a lot of the workplace abuse that goes on out there because a person here legally would be much more willing to report it.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the fruit store owner should sign up as a welfare to work sponsor or advertise at a high school or online.

-Joe said...

Illegls kill more American per year then the Iraq ware zone and the 9-11 attacks.
Id say a good 1/2 of them are lawless pee in the pants drunks !!

During the summer in Riverhead COUNTLESS familys are hit by these bastards (always wih rosary beards on the dashboard and car full of beer cans) ALWAYS flee into the woods with their 7-11 cellphones as people and kids lay in the street dieing.
They seem to never get hurt and can run for miles.

When caught they always Always have a fake name,fake SS#, No licence, no insurance.

The goverment need to do its job and start jailing and deporting certain people.

Obama is an ass.
No new laws are needed, just enforce the laws we have and let ICE and the border police do their jobs.

Anonymous said...

Has the definition of "illegal" changed in the last ten years? I learned that it means "AGAINST THE LAW!

People who come here must learn the language and go through the legal process of becoming a citizen regardless of race, color or creed -- no one should be exempt from the rules.

Anonymous said...

So you are in favor of expanding citizenship to the hard working immigrants that are here? Great!

Anonymous said...

First, im pro-immigration, however, i am anti-ILLEGAL immigration. Just apply for citizenship and wait your turn. Yes this applies to all groups, not just the Hispanic ones.

Second, unless your lives are being directly threatened (like polish, Jewish, etc before the run up to WWII, as one example), i never understood the ease that some of these groups have for leaving their homeland.

If things are so bad where you are from, why not stay and fight and make it better? You like what America had to offer? Why not bring America to you, and not the other way around?

Anonymous said...

"As the only family member who can travel freely, he has spent three summers there, playing soccer and going to amusement parks with cousins"


Doesn't sound so bad there. Hell, he wants to move there. Why do they need to be in American then, exactly?

Anonymous said...

"Ecuador is the land he loves. New York is only the means to an end."

And that right there is the issue. Previous generations that came here, came here to become an American. The recent waves only want the paychecks. And that is why is a drain on the American society.

linda said...

let's just round their asses up send them home and give them a number so they can apply to this country legally. the reason i can't stand illegals is seeing them stand on our streets all day looking for work, not paying taxes and then wanting to go home after ten years after screwing our country. they break the law and then cry they can't find work. come here legally and then i'll have more respect for them.

Anonymous said...

FACT: Many people target only hispanic immigrants and not the white illegal immigrants, such as Canada, Poland, Russia, etc.

Clearly racial.
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I personally like to include all races when speaking of illeal immigrants. No matter what color they are, they should get the hell out and come back leagally. Especially the pollocks. They are a bunch of 'Meat heads"!!!

Anonymous said...

Gee, would you rather hire an illegal immigrant to put up dry wall at $8 hour or have to hire a Union manadated team of three with each one making $40 hour each?

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GEE, LAST TIME I LOOKED, WHICH WAS EARLIER TODAY, I SAW UNION CARPENETRS ( THE $40 AN HOUR WORKER) BUSTING HIS ASS BY HIMSELF. DOING MORE IN ONE DAY THAN THE UNSKILLED $8. AN HOUR ILLEAGAL YOU SPEAK OF...... I'D RATHER PAY MORE UP FRONT FOR A SKILLED WORKER THAN CONTIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM.

-Joe said...

I do my own drywall, Landscaping, decks, planting, lawns & harvesting.
Im up at 4:30 AM during summer work 7 hours then hit the beach or have my fun time.

I dont want these people near the house or on the property.

These illegels are getting wise and staging accidents to sue you. These contractors dont have insurence on them, nor do they care.

Guess who pays or looses a house when a hungover Juan falls off a roof, deck or has a incident with the wood chipper.

These people are willing to stick there hand in a wood chipper to take 1 million $$ to Guatemala and live for life.

Im out here in Southhold this week. These varments are scooting around on kids bicycles (groups of 2) knocking on doors "do you needa painting, we work 60 dollar a day"
...now this is a first !!

According to the cops they are homeless and come from Town of Riverhead & South Hampton sanctuary camps in search of work.

Question now is:
Will they go home or start squatting & stealing to live ?

-Joe

italian girl said...

You see - This is what I'm afraid of. There's no way these illegals will go home especially with this swine flu going around. I think some of them will begin burglarizing or worse. Desperate people will do desperate things. I find myself so conscientious of locking doors. A cop from the 109 told me that burglaries are mostly occurring during the day and many Asians are being targeted. The McMansions in particular are being targeted. A few days ago I saw two hispanic guys pushing a wagon full of empty soda bottles. I haven't seen that in a long time. I always wonder if they are checking out the houses to see who's home and who isn't. I don't trust the landscaping guys either.

-Joe said...

--Checking out the houses

You can bet on it !!
They look for keys in cars, dogs and alarm sensors on the windows.
Turns out more burglers are the females then males BTW (In Nassau County anyay)

The best deterrent is to work with your neighbors, set up some IP cameras you can see fom anyplace.
Don’t trust motion detectors they can be bypassed easily. Alarm companys are useless its all over by the time the cops come.
These guys are smash and run, they usually go straight for the bedrooms (jewelry) and medicine cabinets (drugs).
Anything they can carry pocket and sell fast.

The real fun starts this fall when all these parasites not only food and beer but rent $$ for warm houses.
Talk about a crime wave!

That’s why Obama gang want to make it impossible to own a firearm.
Them Democrats don’t want our 30 million un-invited unskilled "visitors" getting shot wile committing robberies.

Oh boy---you ant seen nothing yet

italian girl said...

In fact what the cop said was the female is usually the lookout sitting in the car so as to not look suspicious. They are equipped with cb scanners and are in constant contact with the accomplices in the house.

Hey, I'm a Democrat and would like nothing more than to see these criminals go to jail. Die? Do they really deserve to die for breaking into your house? I don't think so. I think jail for 25 years or so would do it.
We are gonna need more law enforcement. Bigtime.

-Joe said...

Cops dont know what they are talking about.
They told you CB's ?
These are the people you trust to protect you ?

This is how out of touch the cops and system is. No wonder they cant catch crooks and robbery is skyrocketing

WRONG !
They are called FRS/GMRS radios.
High frequency FM 1 inch antenna 1/2 mile range on 2AA Batterys.
$24 in Walmart they can fit in a sock.

Do you really expect the cops to be around when these sc*mbags break into your house ?

Many of these "south of the borders" love to beat and rape women.

Being female how will you defend yourself without them getting close to you or finding you in a closet filled with sound absorbing clothes ?

italian girl said...

I'm thinking of taking self-defense lessons.
And anyway, I'm not all that intimidated by any Mexican guy. Most of them are shorter than me.

linda said...

italian girl, they're not just mexicans and with no work more crime does go up. I think the government should just start deporting their asses and if they want to come back then do it the legal way. we are losing too much money in this country to keep supporting them and giving them shops to educate them more how to screw us over.

italian girl said...

Linda, I totally agree. But how do we go about it? These people are not going to leave voluntarily.

-Joe said...

Dont think just do it, take that class !

Anybody remember NYC during Son of Sam ?

If the goverment deports its massive protests, civil un-rest, riots and fire.

If the Goverment doesnt deport we become a broken crime ridden 3rd world slum (like their home countrys) with bullets & baseball bats flying everyplace.

It amazing not one dam city has learned a lesson from Los Angeles.
It’s like Vietnam their, helicopters with searchlights, cops & sirens, gunshots go all night long.
At night you can look down from the Hollywood bowl overlook park and see ½ dozen helicopters giving chaise any given time.
(That is till the police come and hassle YOU for walking at night on the hill!!)
....And This was over 10 years ago !!

linda said...

hire more INS or is it now called ICE, what ever, the government has to step up and start moving them out. Hey they can go to any queens corner and round them up. head out to the hamptons and pull their asses out of their tents. Shit when i had to drop off my son to college few years back DC had them everywhere and they looked at me like i didn't belong. I can't believe just recently a women with kids watch as her shit hole friends went inside to rob someone, over here in maspeth. FUCK them all time to take action.

Anonymous said...

There was a camp of 50 in the woods behind a church in South Hampton near the Shinnicock canal.

Now it OVER 1000 and growing.
Every Weber Kettle, dinkey, and canoe in the Hamptons not locked down has been stolen.

The Shinnicock Indians are now fed up to the ears and ready to got at it.

georgetheatheist said...

"I'm thinking of taking self-defense lessons."

In addition, think about firearms training at your local pistol range.

www.nra.org

Anonymous said...

Last night I was sitting in the dark on my front steps meditating and gazing at the evening sky...
unseen by a male (perp?) and a female (accomplice?) who had suddenly scaled up the hill of my front lawn.

I didn't feel the need to hit the panic button of my alarm pendant
to summon the "gendarmes" just yet.

I merely challenged them with a cool inquiry, "May I help you"?

They were surprised by my quick voice from nowhere and replied
that they were looking for their cat (which turned out to be true).

My 22" honed wakizashi was conveniently tucked behind my door...easily reachable...but I had no need of it.

As the old Boy Scout motto suggests:

"BE PREPARED"!

italian girl said...

So just imagine if you had blown them away. You'd have been the one going to prison for life.

Anonymous said...

was driving home yesterday from jackson heights taking the back roads to maspeth. i was so amazed that these mexicans or what ever we're dancing in a school yard. didn't know there was a holiday or we're they dancing because they're in america and not with with the swine flu infected people back home?

georgetheatheist said...
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georgetheatheist said...

"...if you had blown them away."

That's why, "girl", you need training.

www.nra.org

Anonymous said...

Not so "Italian girl"....my godfather's son is a top defense attorney!

Anyway....better for me to become a defendant rather than be deceased!

italian girl said...

Actually anonymous, I was just being "dramatic". LOL

Anyway, what does happen if you shoot an unarmed intruder?

"Anyway....better for me to become a defendant rather than be deceased!"

I've heard that many times. I guess it does make sense. I just think all these guns lying around people's houses spell trouble. I don't mind if criminals are blown away. It's the kids that inadvertently end up blowning themselves away that worries me. Or how about the ones that bring those guns to school and kill their classmates. Kids don't realize what they are doing.

guns = trouble

-Joe said...

So are criminals, would you rather they be pushed out windows or kicked down staircases ?

Even thou Italian Girls proposed Hooters Qualifications (posted) and now her height are rather impressive ( I flubbed at 5’1-5’5) I doubt she could swing a 20 Lb Jap blade.

I rather have she (and all women) at least take and pass a pro self defense class and home protection fire arm training if she lives alone.
That’s my my honest opinion.

BTW I’m not a Democrat nor Republican ….I’m a political atheist !

Pete Murphy said...

Regarding my original comment, please note that there was nothing racial about it. My concern with immigration, both legal and legal, is rooted in a concern for the economic consequences of overpopulation - consequences which will only be understood by those who read my book and understand the theory about the relationship between population density and per capita consumption and per capita employment.

The immigration I speak of is comprised of people of every race from every corner of the globe.

Pete Murphy
Author, "Five Short Blasts"

italian girl said...

"So are criminals, would you rather they be pushed out windows or kicked down staircases ?"

What a ridiculous question.

And yes you did flub my height. You assumed because I'm Italian, I must be short. Shame on you.

Proposed Hooters qualifications? The only reason I said they'd hire me is not for my boobs, it's because I still look pretty good considering I'm older than the waitresses there. Just like women everywhere, even Hooter's boobs come in different sizes. LOL

I am seriously gonna take a self-defense class. I'm just trying to get my best friend to come with me too.

Anonymous said...

You don't shoot an unarmed intruder
"Italian girl" that's what the law
clearly states and my firearms instructor always says.

You can blast him (or her) if they're armed and on your premises...not a pleasant prospect in any case...but your family comes first and you might have to...G-d forbid !

If you do decide to shoot...you shoot to kill and try to live with it afterwards. It leaves a permanent emotional scar...so take care with your decision!

I'd do the 911 call first.

But step #1. requires you to secure your property and premises and to be alert!

Step #2. install a damn good hard wired (not the wireless variety...too many fresh batteries needed) alarm system!

My perimeter protection includes a state of the art central alarm system.

In the military you're taught to PROTECT YOUR PERIMETER FIRST.

If an enemy breaks it YOU SHOOT!

Weapons are to be used in the compound as a last resort.

Too many people think guns are your first line of defense.

Hate to break it to those true believers but YOUR BRAINS ARE!

A stupid man (or woman) with a big gun is more dangerous than any perp!

Anonymous said...

IF THERE'S A LAW AGAINST DOING IT...
THEN IT'S ILLEGAL!

DEPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

SUPPORT THE LEGAL ONES!

OUR GOVERNMENT'S GOT ENOUGH BILLS TO PAY ALREADY!

WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE FINANCIAL AID TO LAW BREAKERS BEYOND PROVIDING THEM WITH SAFE PASSAGE OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!

DON'T BOTHER WITH THE NYPD...CALL ICE (IMMIGRATION & CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT) FOR RESULTS!

Anonymous said...

I like that!

"Support the legals & deport the illegals"!

Makes sense!